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Re: Max

Postby Carly » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:20 pm

I'm probably totally wrong about this, but I'm thinking that when Max says that we can't ever be 100% sure about the authenticity of a guru he means that we can't ever be 100% sure about anything 'external.' Descartes became famous for exploring this. The only thing I can know is that I exist and am experiencing 'beingness' right now. Anything not 'me' could very well be an illusion or a dream. Anything in the past is not evident at all, but only a memory that can be doubted. The only way we can know anything about the 'outside' world is to access it through The Self, by going deep within. This is because the Self encompasses all. That's why the focus on a guru who is supposedly separate and more realized than 'you' is not the most efficient way to realization.

In my own path I found that practices were helpful, even necessary, for a time. Yet since the beginning of the year I've went in a totally different direction, the direction of surrender. Before I felt I had to achieve something or do something to bring about realization. i thought I had to follow certain practices and receive darshan. Now I see that we are on a stream, and the stream is so powerful and good that all we have to do is stop paddling upstream. The stream will take you were you need to go and soon enough you will realize that the stream is you. Just give up any struggle. Decide that you don't have to prove yourself and you don't need or even care about enlightenment. That you don't need anything because you are infinite and completely invulnerable. regardless f what could happen, you will always be. The very fact that it is happening means that it is in divine order, and even if it weren't, you still might as well accept it. Because as long as it is happening you have only 2 choices. Reject it and resist it, which will not change it whatsoever but will only make you miserable, or accept it and go with the flow and the stream that is in Reality your true Self.

Release and relief and even resignation have been 100x more powerful that all the meditation techniques and spiritual books (as important and necessary as they were and are). I used to think I had to actively work on feeling more joy or having more loving thoughts and feelings or opening my heart. Now I see that love, joy, and openness are my true nature, so I don't have to do anything but to stop resisting mySelf. Once I release and surrender after a period of struggle and trying to control, first it feels like immense relief, then it feels like your whole body is just completely relaxed (I was amazed at how this feels because never in my life did I have absolutely no tension in my body or mind...the tension was always there though I was not aware of it because it as 'normal'), and then gradually (and without having to do anything) my heart opens and I am infinite, Christ-like love and joy for all of the universe. So much that I still don't know what to do with it all, I try to send it out but it feels like it will make my body explode! I am both the personal identity of 'Carly' and the impersonal All, and the boundary between the two is fluid and permeable.

It's funny though, even though I know I am the All, I still pray to God and meditate and perform pujas. I telepathically communicate regularly with my sat-guru, Babaji, and also with Jesus, Shiva, and the Divine Mother in all of her forms. I do this because I am also the individualized personality, and this individualized aspect of God is showing reverence to the larger aspect. It is good to keep yourself humbled. To me it is not contradictory. And I know I am not 'there' yet and never will be. I must always be diligent and check my ego and ask to be guided and ask for guidance on allowing myself to be guided and surrendering to my Self. We can always progress and expand. God is always expanding.

I know that release and surrender are the keys to enlightenment and realization. I had had Samadhi experiences, where I was One with Brahman, where the individualized personality disappeared, but now I see that that was only one aspect of God, and was just an expereince and not permanent awakening. I think that when you release more and more until it is a constant state you will be able to shift into Samadhi states at will. It was so simple and easy and right there all along! The idea that we don't have to do anything and the acceptance of the fact that we can't really control anything but that 'this' is perfect is quite possibly the hardest one to accept. I'm still working on it. Well, I'm still NOT working on it! :D
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Re: Max

Postby John A. » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:29 pm

In my opinion that is a really great post Carly, and I'm willing to hazard you're further along than I am, in terms of where you are and the amount of experience you have. . . thank you for the food for thought. I love it when I meet dedicated, sincere fellow "seekers" out there. There are a few things I disagree with (or maybe just want to add a bit of a different perspective on it) but I'm going to kind of ruminate on it for a bit first. . .

Not that this is about winning an argument or anything. . . whenever that happens the loser is the truth, eh, and we all lose.

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Re: Max

Postby Carly » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:33 pm

Thanks so much, John. :hug I do want to expound and what I said before. I would not say that a guru is unnecessary for everyone. You can only get to a point of surrender, a point where 'there is nothing to do' when there is nothing more that can be done. If you tell someone who is just starting on the path that there is nothing to do but surrender the need to do anything, they might not yet understand the difference between the Ego and the All, and might become narcissistic and think that they, as the Ego, are God. Or they may think that nothing is important and become depressed and apathetic. So to a point, guru's and books and study and meditation are necessary. Maybe they are even necessary after you surrender. I still meditate and read and consult Babaji and Jesus and pray very very often.

I also just learned a couple of terms yesterday: 'Kensho' and 'Satori.' They are Buddhist (Zen maybe?). From what little I learned (OK, OK, from Wikipedia! :lol ) Kensho related to what I experienced twice that I described as a Samadhi state, and was what I thought for a long time was what enlightenment was like if I could only get it to be a constant state. It was what I kept striving to get back to. Satori is more of the letting go and the permanent realization. I realized that the striving to get back to some former realization and the thought that I had regressed somehow kept me out of the present moment. It was important for me to take each moment on it's own terms and be grateful for it just as it is and not compare it to anything else.
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Re: Max

Postby John A. » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:35 pm

I have a bit to tell you, but unfortunately I am at home and only have a phone to type on. Long story short, it sounds like you are in oneness and had a few samadhi experiences. You can go beyond this ..... Yes I think you are further along than me.... I have more to say... Tomorrow? Do you mind if I pm you as well?

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Re: Max

Postby Carly » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:08 pm

Ooooh...I've never been PMed before on here. Be careful...The only reason I began trudging along on the spiritual path is because I was forced to due of my immense unpopularity in high school (I had no other niche to place myself in). Any semblance of social approval will have my Ego reigning supreme in no time! :lol J/K...PM away! I look forward to it!
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Re: Max

Postby spacedout » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:52 am

Max Power wrote:

Self seeks no freedom.

And there you are :cool

Max


This is good Max. Some think that the Self seeks freedom from the sheaths that cover it.
The sheaths from the small self which has thoughts, desires, emotions, values, feelings, etc. (the ego, the lies) that prevent the True Self from shining through. The question is, does the True Self seek anything?
If the True Self is the Witness - Pure Awareness that needs nothing, then it desires not.
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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:57 am

True self has no self concern, so therefore has no limitation. By definition it is alone, it has to be, but doesn't suffer loneliness. The ego suffers self concern, so you suffer limitation.

By knowing what you are not, ego, thoughts, emotions, events, then your knowledge of what you truly are is always present, just coverred up.

Why go through all of the stuff you are not?

To know what you are.

You would never know that you were the container, if there was nothing inside. The container, the space, the field of now is what you are and there is truly nothing outside. Even the thought of something outside, happens inside.

Ego hates the idea of being god :cool

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Re: Max

Postby decibella » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:58 am

Ariel wrote:heh, it's kinda funny seeing the different paths or steps, if you will, to enlightenment.

The Advaita peeps would say "There's nothing to do and no one to do anything. Just be still and allow the Self to realize itSelf."

Then you've got the Buddhists who would tell you that there is something you can do. "Follow the Eightfold Path and they will bring you to enlightenment."

Then you've got all these guys singing mantras, performing rituals, taking vows of celibacy, becoming ascetics, meditating on a mountain in india, receiving Deeksha from [insert-master-here]...

People have woken up following all of these traditions. People have woken up without ever following a single tradition. It's not like we can say "This one path is the way."

Many paths, one mountain.

It's so easy to get caught in the righteous "My way is the best/fastest/quickest/shiniest/most popular/particular-guru-approved way! Nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo!" silliness and use that reason to think that one path is inherently better than another. I mean come on... really guys!? :rofl

What if each person needs their own personal path that is most appropriate for them? hmmmm? and it never was a matter of better/worse/right/wrong... ;)

Some paths may be faster than others, sure, but that doesn't mean it's any better. Some people prefer driving slower than others. Some people can only handle so much love and light at once before feeling overwhelmed and overloaded. They need to work their way up more slowly than others. It's all good.

Everyone in their own perfect way at their own perfect time. Truly. :)



Beautifully done Ariel! x x x x
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Re: Max

Postby Cassie » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:54 am

Carly, your post about your own personal experiences on the spiritual path really helped me. What you said was so insightful and definitely resonates with where I am at. Beautiful. Thank you :hug
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Re: Max

Postby Carly » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:19 pm

Thank you so much for your kind words, Cassie. I really do appreciate them! Plus my ego is glad to know that I am saying something helpful and profound. :lol :p
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