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Max

Postby Lee » Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:21 pm

Like the bible.....where is the truth?....somewhere in the back

:lol

Actually when he was struggling (financially) to get TPN finished he did buy a scratch it and won $1000, which according to him allowed him to finish the book......it IS in TPN

My apologies. You’re right. I remember this now. But is that proof he is not Self Realized?

, don't know which page, because one night when I was drunk I burned my copy of the book

:lol :lol

Your ego is missing the point.....gurus are people too, therefore they are of your creation, therefore they are all flawed and none of them should be given too mucg credence. Ultimately it's you who has to be responsible for their creation and the why.

I disagree. There is theme of creation and creator and who that is.
These are ultimately unimportant.


-The Game was a good idea but the ego will eventually win. When you say, “don’t get involved” the ego is alerted! I would make it simpler, simply observe.

”PS: The challenge is not to deny anything you perceive......but to ask why you create the perception.”

I disagree. Simply accept what is perceived. “but to ask why you create the perception.”
This is complicated and away from what is.


“How can you ever get out of the way??
Don't be the thing that is always in the way.”

Cute, but for a big voice like yours- rather insulting. :p

“I'm here because you want me to help you wake up.”

Okay. But isn’t this like being a guru of sorts?

“People (you) will do everything they can to stop you from knowing the truth.

They will write books, write blogs, suck you into therapy, get you to attend seminars, spend money and time trying to work your problems out.

Sooner or later, you are going to have to make a stand.

You will have to make a choice, a choice to take control or be controlled.

The mystics and the gurus write and speak volumes, but that is all still the same trick, played over and over again.”

How is Max Power different from the mystics and gurus if he is here because I want him to help me wake up?

There is an authority to your posts that says you are telling us something. Teaching us something. As if you are a teacher, a spiritual teacher. And you may be, but what is the difference?

Also your posts are very one sided- door opens and closes quickly. You give but you won’t receive.

You wrote-


“People (you) will do everything they can to stop you from knowing the truth.

Question everything and trust no one………..Everything and people are the most unreliable stuff you can turn to...........”


And you have written this theme many times. There is almost paranoia here. And all are seen as egos- dismissed as such.

It is like Max knows it all, knows everything, is awake and no one else knows anything and no one else is awake.

I was happy to see your new posts, I like Max. But when attempting to reply the futility of it came across. “There is only one God, a lonely God.” And that God is bound to keep it that way.

How did Max Power become awake? What is awake to you?

One thing is for sure- one does not need to guard themselves, or fear that others will steer them to hell, or protect themselves as the only God.

God is all inclusive.

Your awareness is keen, but your ego seems to be keeping a tight lid on things- and from “others”.

For one thing, you would have known who Tolle is.

I am for Max Power. I love rebels, love radical. And you’re consciousness is strong.

But he is highly limited by a truth that has become a fierce dogma- and all one sided.

God is gentle, alive--- love!

Where is your heart in this? Is it walled off? Where is your compassion? Where is your joy?


This is the truth I hear in your posts-


-There is no outside because all that is, is inside, including this conversation and the entirity of the present moment.

- “-- nothing exists outside this present moment.”

-Only you ego suffers self concern.

-You will die, there is no mistaking that fact.

And you are right about not being born- but this is not enough to know intellectually. One must die before they die to truly know this.


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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:30 pm

Imagine god starts to realise that god is the only conscious being and fundamentally alone.

While all the time god played a trick on itself to forget it was god, so to know what it is to not be god, now god is starting to self realise (again) and is coming back to the only truth.

There is only one consciousness, one conscious being (it's not human in any form including it's first person perspective) so as it self realises (again) the truth starts to reveal itself, shine through etc.

There are no multiple gods, multiple conscious beings and/or shared consciousness. While it presents as that seems to be possible, it's always at best an assumption and fundamentally flawed on any practical level that could work.

I've said this before, but it is important=======

Even if you die and land on a cloud or heaven or still have awareness and then a god type figure, voice, knowledge relates to you how you were not and never were god.........all of that could still be and probably will be part of the simulation, projection, illusion of you as god, still playing the denial game to further know yourself.

Could you ever know yourself truly as god?

Only if you give up all attachment to seperation AND the assume your true identity.

God isn't as mystical and everywhere as the seperation seems to suggest

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Re: Max

Postby Lee » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:46 am

Though I would not put it in the same words, I agree with the essence of what you are saying.

The “alone” part of which you often speak is questionable. Not that God is not all there is and only- but that God does not know it is alone. How could it? To know this, God would have to know two or more. God only knows itself- which is One. It cannot feel lonely or alone. Because it is all there is.

Let’s say there are two “dimensions”. And let’s say one is of the mind, the world, the false self. (the illusion) And let’s say that the other is God- of Being- of no separation or sense of separation. (reality) Looking from this dimension- is goodness, purity, oneness, beauty, grace, aliveness, intensity, gentleness, benignness- truly all good. Without opposite.

I feel that Max Power “knows” of this true dimension, of Reality. But I also feel he is blending the other illusionary dimension in with it somewhat.

Felt oneness with being, is sublime- and no words to say. But it carries no thought of “alone” or “loneliness.”

That said, deep loneliness, yearning is God yearning for itself, is lonely for itself- (though we put other labels on it)- and this is good. But when God does find itself, realize itself, there is no loneliness anymore.

Could you ever know yourself truly as god?


No. I could not. No one can. It is God that knows itself through the human.
That which is God does it on its own. It dissolves the ego, the little self.

Only if you give up all attachment to separation AND the assume your true identity.


Yes, but this is impossible. How can we give up all attachments to separation and assume our true identity?

But there are a variety of ways to allow this to happen- not saying it would- but to allow it. Surrender is the big way!

Even the truth you speak Max- is thought, is words, same here. You are the observer, which is great, but do you observe your thoughts too? That which is observing- is it. Now observe the observer- here is your Now realized!

:D
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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:42 pm

Lee wrote:It is like Max knows it all, knows everything, is awake and no one else knows anything and no one else is awake.


Close, but no.

Max is not awake.

True subjective reality is only accessible to one singular conscious being, no human is conscious, including your own/my own avatar, so Max nor anyone else is conscious and/or awake.

Every person, every thing including all the people, even your own person are not conscious, therefore have no true creative power and/or control.

Alignment with your ego, with your person, your human form, has some value, but as it is unsustainable, then it's ultimately something to observe.

The truth is hidden for a reason.

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Re: Max

Postby John A. » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:15 pm

I am working with a very real Guru. I have more to say on this later
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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:03 am

John A. wrote:I am working with a very real Guru. I have more to say on this later


Really? Are you sure?

How can you be sure?

You can't.

Everything you think you know, you think you see, you think you are sure of.....dissolves.

Everything you know for sure is an a ASSUMPTION.

You can't prove it exists outside your own PMA, so it COULD BE WRONG.

The only thing you know for sure is that you exist RIGHT NOW, everything you add on top of that is an assumption, is fleeting and dissolves.

Your 'very real guru' is no more real that the tree, the rock, the dog crap you saw yesterday.

You don't give those any real lasting value....so why is your 'real' guru so important.

It's not, at best it is a lie and at worst it is a trap.

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Re: Max

Postby John A. » Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:26 pm

Really? Are you sure?


Yes, 100%. I have never been more sure about anything in my life.

How can you be sure?


By trusting my own experiences over time. . .The only way you come to learn anything. . . A healthy skepticism turns into this thing called "bright faith." The only way you come to learn anything.

Or is all learning by experience invalid?

Would you question my sanity if I told you the sun will rise tomorrow, or that you will die? If you said thee things, would I not be a fool to argue "how can you be sure . . you CANT."

I would like to see you act according to the notion that you don't know if the sun will rise tomorrow, or that if you walk off a cliff, whether the laws of gravity will not be in effect. The truth is, you DON''T.

When you hear a fire alarm go off do you sit there and go "is that real?"

The only thing you know for sure is that you exist RIGHT NOW, everything you add on top of that is an assumption, is fleeting and dissolves.


Actually, that's not the way it goes. Enlightened wisdom teaches is no YOU to begin with, and there never was! The YOU is precisely the illusion. You have it back-asswards, see? :lol

Your 'very real guru' is no more real that the tree, the rock, the dog crap you saw yesterday.


By that logic, you are no more real that dog crap either, so why should I take anything you say seriously? (By the way, your cavalier and scatological language does not impress either).

so why is your 'real' guru so important.


Because I have no doubt of any kind whatsoever that (for me) the practices and grace she provides is the only way out of suffering and into moksha, the complete end and snuffing out of self (nirvana = "snuffed out").I am of the belief in all practicality one really can't make it all the way without a Guru, but I try not to push this on others.

It's not, at best it is a lie and at worst it is a trap.


If there are enlightened beings out there, what is wrong with the assumption that they are there for the sincere and dedicated seeker to find?

Or do you have no faith that there are no enlightened beings out there and that if they are, that they are somehow unable to be discerned?
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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:05 am

John A. wrote:If there are enlightened beings out there, what is wrong with the assumption that they are there for the sincere and dedicated seeker to find?


There is nothing wrong with that assumption.

You assume they exist and (of course) they do exist.

Therefore the seeker (you) will find them.

God, enlightenment, channelled beings, voices, etc......they are ALL there for you to find.

The seeker.......is always looking.

When you stop looking, what do you have?

Or do you have no faith that there are no enlightened beings out there and that if they are, that they are somehow unable to be discerned?


When you watch without self concern..............then you have no self concern.

God has no self concern.

Are you god or are you not.

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Re: Max

Postby scarface » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:53 am

Max Power wrote:
John A. wrote:I am working with a very real Guru. I have more to say on this later


Really? Are you sure?

How can you be sure?

You can't.

In my spiritual and personal development quest, I have been through several gurus/teachers and checked out many more but didn't stick around. In the spiritual quest I have been through about 3 teachers, the final one I have sticked with and the other 2 I had to trun my back to. In this quest, I think I have found some factors in what one could take into account.

First what do I want a spiritual teacher to be his/her inetntion in the teaching?
His interest should merely be for the sake of wanting to share his/her knowledge/experiences/wisdom, with the sole intention of wanting to help (genuine) people with their questions.

With the teachers that I had to turn my back on, there were personal/egoic interests playing (as well). Which distorted the teaching, my personal free will and right to personal decision/view, and the relationship between us. Personal/egoic interests being money, wanting validation from followers, wanting/demanding me to defend him/her when receiving critisisms from others, etc..
So if the teacher/guru asks/tells you to buy this or that and pushes for it, or tells you hjave to defend him when someone critises him/her otherwise you are not good, or etc.. Then I would be aware, and look out for the fact if the guru/teacher has not first turned away from his personal/egoic desires and teaches also to satisfy those desires, instead of just teaches because of compassion for the "followers" and without any added egoic reasons/intentions.

My pennies, Scarface.

P.S. To share, My final guru was and is Ramesh Balsekar by the way. He has been for over 1 1/2 to 2 years now. Even though I never met him personally, my love and gratitude for my guru is very much there. Anyways, in the contact with him, he never tried or did push for me or others to make them buy some product, or push for payimng a personal visit, or any other kind of marketing/sales technique/trick. Actually on the contrary. I very much feel like he teaches just out of compassion. By the way, I wish him good luck with his physical recovery, since he just left the hospital after an operation.
Who or what is the authority figure, that possess volition, free will or power in you?
I couldn't find one. Just an ego thinking it possesed the above qualities, yet in all my experiences I saw it didn't have any of those qualities. Nor any other quality.
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Re: Max

Postby Max Power » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:56 am

In my spiritual and personal development quest, I have been through several gurus/teachers and checked out many more but didn't stick around.


It's not a quest.

There is no book, no guru, no teaching required.

The ego longs for stuff to keep it company.

I attended this seminar.
I searched for truth.
I sought many a guru.
I have my guru.
I read the book.
I found god.
I am enlightened

Ego seeks the instruction manual that will free the self.

Self seeks no freedom.

And there you are :cool

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