ariel wrote:The mind feels like it's going nowhere because everything I say, I can see the opposite being just as valid.
It feels like everything I've learned up to know is practically irrelevant. I really thought it was valuable. It is in the sense that it was a stepping stone for then, but I gotta let it all go now.
No more clinging to anything that was true for me in the past.
jonas wrote:how to get out of these spiritual downturns. I just know it always goes back up again, and that I will probably realize later that I learned something.
ariel wrote:I feel like there's literally nothing for me to do anymore... Just let go and allow whatever happens to happen.
The view I have come to, about the periods of confusion is this.
To me periods of confusion mean that a conflict between the various concepts
, believes and opinions has build up (in the mind and body). These conflicts had arisen in me because the various concepts I had taken on to be truth for me, conflict with each other. These times of confusion to me felt like internal chaos.
I also saw that I tended to solve this chaos by changing the concepts so they were in line with each other again. And so after I had done that, the confusion was gone for then. And so there was internal order again. Therefore in my view Chaos/confusion is a chance for a greater level of internal order.
Which is also what most of you who have posted experienced before, chaos/confusion leading to a greater level of internal order then before.
So I had solved the chaos, but I found myself some time later in confusion again, because the various concepts were in conflict with each other again. I saw this for me to be a continuous process
, from internal order to chaos/confusion back to internal order again and after some time back to chaos/confusion again and so on.
So I asked myself: 'How come that one moment I have order and 'truth' seems clear to me, and some time later there is internal conflict about it?´.
For me the answer I came to was, because I receive recondition and therefore new concepts and believes every day, which also largely plays at an unconscious level. So I came for myself to the conclusion that the movement from internal order to chaos/confusion and back to internal order again is part of the natural flow of life.
I for myself haven’t experienced this confusion for quite some time now, because it so happened that I don’t identify myself with concepts, believes (much) anymore. Because I see them to not be truth, or more true as the opposite. Therefore I noticed that I am merely witnessing the reconditioning and new concepts I receive taking place. The internal disorder or conflict taking place between the various concepts, I also witness taking place nowadays. But confusion I noticed isn’t there anymore because I haven’t identified myself with the concepts anymore.
Because as I see it is that all concepts are not the truth, yet are true and false at the same time. And something that is true and false at the same time (all concepts), can’t be truth or more truth in my view.
I came to this because I only wanted to identify myself with (the) truth. Which has left me ultimately with nothing, not one concept I had I noticed I could call truth.
So yeah I totally agree with the solution Ariel has come to for himself, Acceptance and just letting the process take place.
I hope my vioew can help some. And good luck with solving the confusion/disorder. Bye scarface.
Who or what is the authority figure, that possess volition, free will or power in you?
I couldn't find one. Just an ego thinking it possesed the above qualities, yet in all my experiences I saw it didn't have any of those qualities. Nor any other quality.