Jonatan wrote:is it limited by your past, by your thoughts, by your beliefs?scarface wrote:Limited I wouldn't say so much, conditioned and genetically programmed yes. So yes the actions that my body performs are determined largely by it's conditioning and genetical programming. But I don't see myself as the body.
So if "you" can admit that "you" are conditioned does everything else you said really matter?
Anything I say doesn't really matter anything imo to begin with, period. It has has only possible value for others imo, up to the level of whether it strikes a cord within someone, which through that persons personaal internal investigation could possibly lead to something for that person. I also see no difference (in value or level) in persons that do or don't agree. But in itself whatever I say has imo no value.
Imo conditioning is happening in the brain/mind. And the brain/mind is not the ego imo. So, also imo the ego is not conditioned nor can it be conditioned. And if one can at all call something a "me" or "you", imo it's the ego. Therefore imo conditioning is of the brain/mind which is part of the body, and genes are also part of the body. That's my personal opinion.
Jonatan wrote:To be clear, if we are conditioned, doesn't this mean that there is a "me" active in us which is doing whatever it can to survive, meaning imposing reactive behaviour on the physical body and so on...
The "me"(the ego) in my personal concept is not conditioned nor can it receive conditioning, but there is a "me"(ego) present. Ego in my concept just means the sense "I am", like in: "I am here present in this body and view the world through this body. Therefore the ego imo just means the identification with this body (and therefore not with your body or the chair I sit on)". That's all the ego means to me, and nothing more or extra to it. You say "that imposing reactive behaviour on the physical body and so on". Imo the me/ego has no power, no doership nor volition, so imo it can't impose reactive behaviour on the physical body. Also Imo it can't do anything at all, so it also can't do "survival" nor do the action of "committing suicide" on itself.
Jonatan wrote:And if this is the case, what is actually saying "this "me" isn't who I am"?
All I said it that I am not body. But I am not the ego either imo. Because there is something aware of that imo and ime, and what is that even observed the ego? I had no answer what that was, but my feeling says that which can be witnessed can't be me ultimately. But this is a concept yes, and concepts are always up for discussion. I would only use concepts (if I feel the need for concept(s)) if I find I need one on a certain subject. And would suggest to people to use the concept that works best for you, and makes you more happy/peaceful. If my concept can't be accepted or one has a feeling it doesn't or can't help, I would suggest to not use it and use another one if one needs a concept about something.
Ultimately imo no concepts are needed as I noticed, because one is just anchored in peace and silence. And when there is peace there are no (internal) problems/suffering, and when there are no (internal) problems/suffering there is no need for concepts any longer. At least that is my experience. I don't need concepts anymore nor does it have much importance to me, but if one asks I still have some I concluded on my own experiences.
Jonatan wrote:Isn't this simply the "me" who is using the perspective of nothingness or intelligence as I prefer to call it, to AVOID fully facing the consequences of fully living from this intelligent force which is available?
This question is to difficult formulated for me, I don't understand what the question means.
Jonatan wrote:Consequences which would ultimately mean that the "me" is completely destroyed without compromise. Wouldn't it say pretty much ANYTHING to avoid this? Even using the capacity to "view" its own destruction to further avoid this? - Ie. saying that "I'm not really this "me" or ego, I've seen that and I know that. And because I know this I don't have to do anything about the fact that I'm still here".
For myself there is no intention or want for the ego/me to be destroyed/killed. for me the only thing that the me/ego had to get rid of, to start experiencing internal peace/happiness was the ego’s sense of personal doership/free will, the sense that it has the power and/or authority to do(action) something.
All I cared about was being/experiencing peace/happiness and when I totally got rid of my (the ego's) sense of personal doership, I was anchored in peace/happiness. About philosophy/religion/what other guru's say is truth or truth at all, I didn't nor do I care much. I wanted to be anchored in internal peace/happiness, "truth"
or being "right" or "wrong" I never cared for. To be honest all I ever cared for was my personal (internal) happiness/peace. Losing the sense of personal doership, luckily did that for me, but I am not sure it would also do/bring that to someone else if they(their ego) lost that sense.
My 3rd 2 cents, Bye Scarface.