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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/my-recent-experiences-in-a-dark-night-of-the-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are definitely correct, asokanvvr, that there is the possibility of going mad such as by the forced awakening of kundalini energy or the blowing open of the third eye, for example. It is critical that we remain grounded while engaging in spiritual activities.

When you say that hallucinations and illusions are not under our control, not volitional, what about intuition? Would that also fall under the category of hallucination according to your definition?

Just because the conscious mind isn&#039;t focused on something in the moment, that doesn&#039;t make it a hallucination when it manifests.

Oh, and this is understanding that it&#039;s ALL an illusion anyways. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are definitely correct, asokanvvr, that there is the possibility of going mad such as by the forced awakening of kundalini energy or the blowing open of the third eye, for example. It is critical that we remain grounded while engaging in spiritual activities.</p>
<p>When you say that hallucinations and illusions are not under our control, not volitional, what about intuition? Would that also fall under the category of hallucination according to your definition?</p>
<p>Just because the conscious mind isn&#8217;t focused on something in the moment, that doesn&#8217;t make it a hallucination when it manifests.</p>
<p>Oh, and this is understanding that it&#8217;s ALL an illusion anyways. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: asokanvvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>asokanvvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations.  But always careful with all these
experiences.  Chances are that you may loose the present living world.  So always careful.  visit my
blog in zimbio also.

WITH LOVE..........

Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion 


What is the difference between hallucination, illusion and  clairvoyance.   In  all the three, the
individual is having certain visual things beyond the existing real ones..   In hallucination and illusion
the individual will not have any control over them but in clairvoyance it is coming by his
own effort. If one is meditating regularly one can have the capacity to see the future or the things
that are happening away from him.  Of course the meditator  must be careful in doing his practices
by having the control of a master.

In hallucination and illusion the individual due to his excess pressure on the mind (off course the 
brain) by worrying or emotionally disturbing the mind, making it to produce certain toxic chemicals
inside and making the brain out of control.   Here the conscious mind is in out of order.

In clairvoyance the individual by his regular practice of meditation or some heavy prayer practices
making the brain to produce some other chemicals, making the pineal gland activated, will get 
the capacity to tell the future.   Here also the conscious mind is subtle.

When the milk is toned by some curd it will become a good curd.   But when the milk is put in
an open place it will become a spoiled one.   In curd the bacteria “est” is making the milk to curd.
But in spoiled milk some other bacteria is making it to rot.  Both are bacterias but est is a good one
and the other is not so.

Similarly in clairvoyance some good chemicals (say atrophine etc.,)make the brain to have the visuals of the future or the God.   But in hallucination some other  bad chemicals make the brain disintegrated and stop its normal function.

Even in meditation if it is not done properly it will affect the brain and make him insane.

In Tamil a famous saying is:
chiththarum biththarum onruthan
chiththar and biththar are same.

Chiththar is one who is attained perfection and biththar is one who is mad.

So if you are not careful in doing meditation or prayer you will become a biththar and not a chiththar.

You can see people who are doing excess prayers (beyond a limit) are becoming god mad and roaming
in the temples insane.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;asokanvvrs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ashokha.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/11/clairvoyance-hallucination-and-illusion.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations.  But always careful with all these<br />
experiences.  Chances are that you may loose the present living world.  So always careful.  visit my<br />
blog in zimbio also.</p>
<p>WITH LOVE&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion </p>
<p>What is the difference between hallucination, illusion and  clairvoyance.   In  all the three, the<br />
individual is having certain visual things beyond the existing real ones..   In hallucination and illusion<br />
the individual will not have any control over them but in clairvoyance it is coming by his<br />
own effort. If one is meditating regularly one can have the capacity to see the future or the things<br />
that are happening away from him.  Of course the meditator  must be careful in doing his practices<br />
by having the control of a master.</p>
<p>In hallucination and illusion the individual due to his excess pressure on the mind (off course the<br />
brain) by worrying or emotionally disturbing the mind, making it to produce certain toxic chemicals<br />
inside and making the brain out of control.   Here the conscious mind is in out of order.</p>
<p>In clairvoyance the individual by his regular practice of meditation or some heavy prayer practices<br />
making the brain to produce some other chemicals, making the pineal gland activated, will get<br />
the capacity to tell the future.   Here also the conscious mind is subtle.</p>
<p>When the milk is toned by some curd it will become a good curd.   But when the milk is put in<br />
an open place it will become a spoiled one.   In curd the bacteria “est” is making the milk to curd.<br />
But in spoiled milk some other bacteria is making it to rot.  Both are bacterias but est is a good one<br />
and the other is not so.</p>
<p>Similarly in clairvoyance some good chemicals (say atrophine etc.,)make the brain to have the visuals of the future or the God.   But in hallucination some other  bad chemicals make the brain disintegrated and stop its normal function.</p>
<p>Even in meditation if it is not done properly it will affect the brain and make him insane.</p>
<p>In Tamil a famous saying is:<br />
chiththarum biththarum onruthan<br />
chiththar and biththar are same.</p>
<p>Chiththar is one who is attained perfection and biththar is one who is mad.</p>
<p>So if you are not careful in doing meditation or prayer you will become a biththar and not a chiththar.</p>
<p>You can see people who are doing excess prayers (beyond a limit) are becoming god mad and roaming<br />
in the temples insane.</p>
<p><abbr><em>asokanvvrs last blog post..<a href="http://ashokha.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/11/clairvoyance-hallucination-and-illusion.htm" rel="nofollow">Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: asokanvvr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tirvannamalai Experiences:

People who are doing the walking in the eighteen kilometer path around the hillock during the full moon day will have certain spiritual experiences.

One of my friend when he leaves the road for a nature call and steps in the rocks some other field other than the natural one is around him all on a sudden. There is some light without any particular source as if though it is twilight during sun set but the brightness is more than normal. (But the actual time is night eight o clock.) There is a big water tank and around it 
there are more than two hundred huts and in the entrance some hermits are doing meditation. One of them signal him to come near and ask him:

CAN YOU BE HERE?


Our friend argues that he is having a mother and three sisters and his father is no more and he will have to look after the family. The hermit says that no body is depending upon anybody. Friend argues that without the permission of parents one must not become a sanyasi. (renouncing the worldly life).(it is the Hindu tradition.) The hermit laughs at him and give some medicine to eat. Friend eats and the field become normal.
Everything disappears and the area is now the original with sand, rocks and thorns. But he cannot find out the main road and wanders for some time. 
Suddenly a woodcutter comes in the way and says Oh poor brahmin you must not be here and pushes him away with his sickle. Friend is in the road now. Now the time is early morning four o clock. Nine hours have been passed. Later he approaches a mutt and ask what is this. They 
said that you have missed a golden opportunity for enlightenment for which all these people are doing penances for years together but in vain. 
One of the manifestation of Lord Siva is woodcutter they told. He is a bank officer and about prayers he is doing the santhya vanthanam (meaning twilight prayer) every day five times without leaving it after his upanayanam (holy ceremony). The year was 1996. Now every month he is going there and do the ritual but the experience is not coming again. 


Another friend when goes around the hillock he also leaves the road and goes some fifty foot in the hillocks the same field appears and the hermit asks the same question. 

CAN YOU BE HERE ?

Unlike the first friend he is not arguing but due to fear he cries. Everything disappears and he is in the road now. He is a doctor. The year was 2003.

In the cinema Baba actor Rajnikanth describes a similar scene in which a beggar pulls Rajnikanth towards a narrow lane and suddenly a snowy field 
appears as if though it is himalayas and Baba sitting under tree asks him: 


CAN YOU BE HERE ?


Rajnikanth hesitates and then he gets some seven boons and returns
to his house.

We can come to a conclusion that there are certain extraordinary 
spiritual fields in this earth itself. If the individuals are having some boon
they have the vision. But who accepts the offer will not come to his native 
world, we presume. If there are any other experiences by readers they can write to me.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;asokanvvrs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ashokha.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/11/clairvoyance-hallucination-and-illusion.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tirvannamalai Experiences:</p>
<p>People who are doing the walking in the eighteen kilometer path around the hillock during the full moon day will have certain spiritual experiences.</p>
<p>One of my friend when he leaves the road for a nature call and steps in the rocks some other field other than the natural one is around him all on a sudden. There is some light without any particular source as if though it is twilight during sun set but the brightness is more than normal. (But the actual time is night eight o clock.) There is a big water tank and around it<br />
there are more than two hundred huts and in the entrance some hermits are doing meditation. One of them signal him to come near and ask him:</p>
<p>CAN YOU BE HERE?</p>
<p>Our friend argues that he is having a mother and three sisters and his father is no more and he will have to look after the family. The hermit says that no body is depending upon anybody. Friend argues that without the permission of parents one must not become a sanyasi. (renouncing the worldly life).(it is the Hindu tradition.) The hermit laughs at him and give some medicine to eat. Friend eats and the field become normal.<br />
Everything disappears and the area is now the original with sand, rocks and thorns. But he cannot find out the main road and wanders for some time.<br />
Suddenly a woodcutter comes in the way and says Oh poor brahmin you must not be here and pushes him away with his sickle. Friend is in the road now. Now the time is early morning four o clock. Nine hours have been passed. Later he approaches a mutt and ask what is this. They<br />
said that you have missed a golden opportunity for enlightenment for which all these people are doing penances for years together but in vain.<br />
One of the manifestation of Lord Siva is woodcutter they told. He is a bank officer and about prayers he is doing the santhya vanthanam (meaning twilight prayer) every day five times without leaving it after his upanayanam (holy ceremony). The year was 1996. Now every month he is going there and do the ritual but the experience is not coming again. </p>
<p>Another friend when goes around the hillock he also leaves the road and goes some fifty foot in the hillocks the same field appears and the hermit asks the same question. </p>
<p>CAN YOU BE HERE ?</p>
<p>Unlike the first friend he is not arguing but due to fear he cries. Everything disappears and he is in the road now. He is a doctor. The year was 2003.</p>
<p>In the cinema Baba actor Rajnikanth describes a similar scene in which a beggar pulls Rajnikanth towards a narrow lane and suddenly a snowy field<br />
appears as if though it is himalayas and Baba sitting under tree asks him: </p>
<p>CAN YOU BE HERE ?</p>
<p>Rajnikanth hesitates and then he gets some seven boons and returns<br />
to his house.</p>
<p>We can come to a conclusion that there are certain extraordinary<br />
spiritual fields in this earth itself. If the individuals are having some boon<br />
they have the vision. But who accepts the offer will not come to his native<br />
world, we presume. If there are any other experiences by readers they can write to me.</p>
<p><abbr><em>asokanvvrs last blog post..<a href="http://ashokha.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/11/clairvoyance-hallucination-and-illusion.htm" rel="nofollow">Clairvoyance, hallucination and illusion</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Myrko:

Does Tolle talk about dark nights of the soul in The Power of Now? It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve read through it...

Either way, it&#039;s nice to be able to read first-hand accounts of what it&#039;s like to be in the midst of it, in the heat of the moment, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Myrko:</p>
<p>Does Tolle talk about dark nights of the soul in The Power of Now? It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve read through it&#8230;</p>
<p>Either way, it&#8217;s nice to be able to read first-hand accounts of what it&#8217;s like to be in the midst of it, in the heat of the moment, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason:

Absolutely. There is a point where the ego is essentially totally let go of. Getting there is often times a painful experience, because it&#039;s literally the death of the sense of &quot;me&quot; altogether.

However, even within the higher stages of enlightenment, there are still painful experiences as the body readjusts to higher levels of energy flowing through it.

The Buddha commented that it felt like all his bones were being broken. Jesus sweat blood. So even at higher levels, there are, shall we say... adjustments. :)

Nevertheless, the idea is to let go of trying to control any of this stuff and to allow it to happen on its own. Surrender control and needing things to happen any which way. Whatever happens happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason:</p>
<p>Absolutely. There is a point where the ego is essentially totally let go of. Getting there is often times a painful experience, because it&#8217;s literally the death of the sense of &#8220;me&#8221; altogether.</p>
<p>However, even within the higher stages of enlightenment, there are still painful experiences as the body readjusts to higher levels of energy flowing through it.</p>
<p>The Buddha commented that it felt like all his bones were being broken. Jesus sweat blood. So even at higher levels, there are, shall we say&#8230; adjustments. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nevertheless, the idea is to let go of trying to control any of this stuff and to allow it to happen on its own. Surrender control and needing things to happen any which way. Whatever happens happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ariel, i really enjoyed the honest sharing of what seems like quite an intense experience. do you feel there will be a time when &quot;dark nights of the soul&quot; are no longer occurring/an issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ariel, i really enjoyed the honest sharing of what seems like quite an intense experience. do you feel there will be a time when &#8220;dark nights of the soul&#8221; are no longer occurring/an issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Myrko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an interesting description Ariel. I personally was completely new to real spirituality as I read The Power of Now as the first real book about it. As I bought it, I thought it would be about the now habit, reagarding productivity and effectiveness :)

Myrkos last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/awakeblogger/~3/391103127/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;10 Inspirational Quotes by The Buddha&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an interesting description Ariel. I personally was completely new to real spirituality as I read The Power of Now as the first real book about it. As I bought it, I thought it would be about the now habit, reagarding productivity and effectiveness <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Myrkos last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/awakeblogger/~3/391103127/">10 Inspirational Quotes by The Buddha</a></p>
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