Is it perfect then, and all the relative atoms aligned when a child dies of starvation…

or is it just another ‘lol’ moment of the universe.

Great point! “perfection as a sort of bonus..”

Yes Ariel, cool discussion, but it’s sooo late at night or early morn, my eyes are as heavy as the national debt and need to rest uP to see if this all makes sense in the morning, which I believe it will.

But in any case, this is fun and enlightening at the same time and that’s a nice way to experience life.

“When you say “Ideally we can drop all mental labels: perfect, imperfect, perfectly imperfect… and find what remains. Give that a name and it’s perfection.” That name is in itself a label of sorts. No biggie though.”

Of course. I’m glad you brought that up. The difference is one is a belief and another is a subjective translation of the direct experience of the Self. But of course they’re both labels in the end.

“To me, the most important element is that if we are experiencing peace and harmony in our selves and also in the world at large it will seem like perfection because another name for perfection is harmony.”

Wonderful! There’s so many aspects of what is that can be focused upon. Love, grace, perfection, harmony, peace, unity, acceptance, consciousness… they all go hand in hand.

“Perfection is not even necessary. If we have peace and harmony within and without that is experiencing perfection within [the supposed]imperfection.”

That’s a good point. People who “strive for perfection” are often trying to hit a mental ideal that can never be reached. Seeking peace and harmony first, essentially the end of suffering, is what the path of enlightenment is all about. Self-realization brings about the realization of perfection as a sort of bonus it seems.

Nice. :-)

It could be called the apparent divine paradoxical dichotomy.

As I said in my previous post. “Perfection is not even necessary. If we have peace and harmony within and without that is experiencing perfection within [the supposed]imperfection.”

When you say “Ideally we can drop all mental labels: perfect, imperfect, perfectly imperfect… and find what remains. Give that a name and it’s perfection.” That name is in itself a label of sorts. No biggie though.

To me, the most important element is that if we are experiencing peace and harmony in our selves and also in the world at large it will seem like perfection because another name for perfection is harmony.

Ultimately I think when we say we desire perfection we are really saying we desire harmony.

Within that peace and harmony the lines of perfection and imperfection can blur much more, even within the context of being distinct and different from each other.

I’m not all that personally caught uP in the mind game of ego, duality etc.

However, It’s fun to poke around and play the intellectual spiritual game of constructing and deconstructing and clarifying and articulating spiritual ideas as crisp, clean and as clear as we can though.

As our evolution advances we articulate ourselves better as well, expanding and reinventing the art and science of language by extending their boundaries more just like our own spiritual expansion.

Ya know telepathy is cool and clean and pure, but I still love the human voice and singing we know, is an expression of beauty, perfection and many other descriptives.

One mans perfection is another mans imperfection and vice versa.

I also think our definition/perspective/attitude of perfection can change and grow as well.

In the end however, it’s our own Inner Peace and Harmony that will give the feeling and experience we seek in having perfection.

Perfectly imperfect. Sounds like it implies imperfection is the default, but the imperfection is perfect. You know, like we’re imperfect human beings, sinners.

Ultimately we’re divine beings expressing ourselves as humans. We are perfection, which can be labeled by the mind as imperfect.

There’s only Love, but you can create fear in the imagination. There is only perfection, but you can create imperfection in the imagination.

Everything that happens is exactly what needs to happen. That’s perfection.

Ideally we can drop all mental labels: perfect, imperfect, perfectly imperfect… and find what remains. Give that a name and it’s perfection.

In the absence of That Which Is Not, That Which Is is not.

Perfectly imperfect is a perfect way of looking at things from one perspective.

However, that assumption springs from the dualistic mind because, at least the way I understand the meaning of that phrase, it’s assuming that it is perfect to be imperfect. Is it also imperfect to be perfect? Not really. If the two were really the same thing, the statement would be valid in both directions.

A = B and B = A

ie. The One is the All and the All are the One.

In this case it’s only one way. ie. Being human implies being a mammal, but being a mammal doesn’t imply being human.

What seems to come up as the dualistic viewpoint dissolves is that perfection and imperfection are actually identical. Because there’s nothing wrong with the system and it’s functioning exactly the way it is designed, it is perfect. Even imperfection literally is perfection.

There is only the One. They may appear to be two different things, but they’re the exact same thing. There is no differentiation. A weed is just as beautiful as a rose.

Everything is All That Is, appearing as this or that. Seeing through the appearance of perfection or imperfection, you see God itself.

If all is perfect, it is not really perfect at all, because there is no context by which to compare what perfection really is. Therefore, it would not exist. Perfection can only exist within imperfection as its contextual contrasting counterpoint.

Embracing being perfectly imperfect is what the human condition allows us to experience.

Perfection is not even necessary. If we have peace and harmony within and without that is experiencing perfection within imperfection.

I don’t see imperfection. At all. It’s like calling a low note imperfect compared to a high note. No. Every note is a part of All That Is. It’s a valuable and integral part of the symphony.

Now, in the conventional sense we can say that there are problems and imperfections, BUT, they only exist when you judge them as such. Judge not and you’ll find there ARE no imperfections. Let go of defining things as imperfect (because they never were in the first place), and you will no longer experience imperfection.

In my reality, there is no imperfection. Not even world hunger, child abuse, rape, terrorism, or even some of the less extreme and more everyday examples like us getting angry, being in debt, or having insecurities. Those too are perfect. Perhaps not as pleasurable as other options, but everything that happens is exactly what needs to happen in that moment.