Comments on: Dissolving the Clouds to Enlightenment

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:48:45 +0000

I totally agree about the two types of wanting. There really should be different words for the desire to go toward god and a desire to go away from god.

By: Psiplex

Psiplex — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:06:24 +0000

Enjoying the wisdom in the exchange! Psiplexs last blog post..Drop the Concept

By: Ariel Bravy

Ariel Bravy — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:29:43 +0000

Oh, Mike, you also mentioned the discrepancy about “wanting” something. It seems that word “want” points to something slightly different depending upon context.

The “good” want is the devotion, the warrior-like commitment, the non-attached dedication, the willingness to choose something beyond continually satisfying the ego, no matter what.

The “bad” want is the craving, the desiring, the inner feeling of lack, the attempt to satisfy the ego.

By: Ariel Bravy

Ariel Bravy — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:24:10 +0000

Yeah Mike, there definitely seems to be a balance between the yin and yang energies.

It’s like, you have to have the devotion, dedication, and discipline to commit yourself to spiritual evolution, which is the yang intention, yet the actual operation is more yin-based in that it’s focused on surrender and allowing.

There’s also a big sense of egoic momentum, of doing something a certain way all your life and then deciding to move in another direction. It takes some energy to change direction, but like the rocket ship which takes a tremendous amount of energy to lift up off the ground, given enough time, it can eventually escape the earth’s gravitational pull and simply coast off effortlessly. Spirituality seems a lot like this in that it takes energy to commit to letting go of the ego’s desires, but the path tends to get easier and easier in time as resistance progressively lessens.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:11:04 +0000

Perhaps this is what Hawkins meant by yang intention, yin action.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:09:29 +0000

I wonder if the fastest growth is simply a matter of wanting Liberation. Lester Levenson and many others say it comes in proportion to how bad you want it, while just as many say that the more you want it the more you push it away. It seems that we have to find the perfect balance. We have to want it with our entire being, free of conflicting unconscious desires, while trusting that it’s already there and not striving. As a perhaps average spiritual seeker, I can get some results by striving, and I can get some by purely allowing. The purely allowing brings much faster and more profound progress, but I can hardly keep it up for more than a few minutes. I suspect this is because I unconsciously want other things more than spiritual growth. All I have to do is identify with awareness and never stop. It’s effortless, and we all say we want it, but it seems like getting it would be like holding your breath for 20 minutes. Simple, easy, all you have to do is want it more than breathing, or all the other things.

By: Psiplex

Psiplex — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:55:06 +0000

Grace takes care of everything including not having to find the sun, but nonetheless pointing to the Source of light. Cool to ordinarily be yourself and enjoy life, plane trips, kids and day to day things. Tending to see more of the miraculous in the ordinary and it keeps getting wider and wider. Nice post! One Love Psiplexs last blog post..Drop the Concept