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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/can-we-prove-or-disprove-the-existence-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right ON.... or Wrong On...

No...
Ariel is ON!

:)

I&#039;ve always held this logic in my mind... i call it additive logic. 

It&#039;s really simple. Instead of one contradictory factor cancelling out another *call this deductive logic*, how about we use *additive logic*

Additive logic states that the ultimate truth must be what is common to all. Whilst this would lead to absolute nothingness if used 100%, on a sliding scale of focus it brings to light that which is common on different levels...

The wars over beliefs seem absurd. Whats common? Both sides want land, ownership, &amp; recognition. Both sides belief their god is the ONLY god. Whats common here?

They both own the land (thus nobody ownes anything), and the god is the same god. Their is only one god, yes, that is true. So if there is one god, it must the same god we are seeing through different eyes.

With collaboration we can build win-win situations. With competition is always win-loose.

I AM + YOU ARE =  WE ARE ALL ONE :)

A

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right ON&#8230;. or Wrong On&#8230;</p>
<p>No&#8230;<br />
Ariel is ON!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always held this logic in my mind&#8230; i call it additive logic. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really simple. Instead of one contradictory factor cancelling out another *call this deductive logic*, how about we use *additive logic*</p>
<p>Additive logic states that the ultimate truth must be what is common to all. Whilst this would lead to absolute nothingness if used 100%, on a sliding scale of focus it brings to light that which is common on different levels&#8230;</p>
<p>The wars over beliefs seem absurd. Whats common? Both sides want land, ownership, &amp; recognition. Both sides belief their god is the ONLY god. Whats common here?</p>
<p>They both own the land (thus nobody ownes anything), and the god is the same god. Their is only one god, yes, that is true. So if there is one god, it must the same god we are seeing through different eyes.</p>
<p>With collaboration we can build win-win situations. With competition is always win-loose.</p>
<p>I AM + YOU ARE =  WE ARE ALL ONE <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthonys last blog post..<a href="http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/">Song &#8211; “Sapphire”</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/can-we-prove-or-disprove-the-existence-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that we&#039;re all ultimately seeing the same thing through different eyes and that it is all God, just different perspectives looking upon the same thing. I can see you get that, Anthony.

There&#039;s this interesting phenomena upon awakening called &quot;God shock.&quot; What happens is that the person realizes that all the spiritual stuff they&#039;ve read and heard is actually true. It&#039;s like, &quot;Whoa! It all literally IS all one! The eyes I have may see this or that, but there truly is no separation whatsoever. What I am is completely infinite, beyond name and form! Oh my GOD!!&quot;

The words themselves are hollow compared to the actual experience.

The problem about arguing semantics and definitions is that without experience, we&#039;re just arguing theory and what we think to be true, like the blind arguing with the blind. Without experience, we relegate ourselves to what others have said as well as our own ideas and educated guesses.

History has shown that without a sufficient level of consciousness, other people disagreeing with us leads to destruction and suffering. It would be all well and good if we could agree to disagree and allow others to believe what they want. Frankly, this&#039;d be pretty awesome. :)

One problem, for example, is that many people&#039;s religions state that they are required by God to convert the non-believers and should any non-believers refuse, you have permission to KILL THEM. Wars have been fought over our ideas about God, people have been killed, and nations have fallen. Our ideas about God are pretty important, aren&#039;t they?

Blindly accepting and defending beliefs without true understanding leads to tragedy. All suffering is due to ignorance.

You said that arguing over semantics and definitions is pretty pointless and I agree. It&#039;s missing the forest for the trees. What we&#039;re really getting at here goes beyond you, me, and every person who reads this blog. It&#039;s about the evolution of mankind itself, about the raising of mass consciousness. It goes far beyond us, but it starts with us, and so I thank you for bringing up this point. :)

Namaste, brother. :hug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that we&#8217;re all ultimately seeing the same thing through different eyes and that it is all God, just different perspectives looking upon the same thing. I can see you get that, Anthony.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s this interesting phenomena upon awakening called &#8220;God shock.&#8221; What happens is that the person realizes that all the spiritual stuff they&#8217;ve read and heard is actually true. It&#8217;s like, &#8220;Whoa! It all literally IS all one! The eyes I have may see this or that, but there truly is no separation whatsoever. What I am is completely infinite, beyond name and form! Oh my GOD!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The words themselves are hollow compared to the actual experience.</p>
<p>The problem about arguing semantics and definitions is that without experience, we&#8217;re just arguing theory and what we think to be true, like the blind arguing with the blind. Without experience, we relegate ourselves to what others have said as well as our own ideas and educated guesses.</p>
<p>History has shown that without a sufficient level of consciousness, other people disagreeing with us leads to destruction and suffering. It would be all well and good if we could agree to disagree and allow others to believe what they want. Frankly, this&#8217;d be pretty awesome. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One problem, for example, is that many people&#8217;s religions state that they are required by God to convert the non-believers and should any non-believers refuse, you have permission to KILL THEM. Wars have been fought over our ideas about God, people have been killed, and nations have fallen. Our ideas about God are pretty important, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Blindly accepting and defending beliefs without true understanding leads to tragedy. All suffering is due to ignorance.</p>
<p>You said that arguing over semantics and definitions is pretty pointless and I agree. It&#8217;s missing the forest for the trees. What we&#8217;re really getting at here goes beyond you, me, and every person who reads this blog. It&#8217;s about the evolution of mankind itself, about the raising of mass consciousness. It goes far beyond us, but it starts with us, and so I thank you for bringing up this point. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Namaste, brother. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/hug.gif' alt=':hug' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/can-we-prove-or-disprove-the-existence-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats what i feel too. 

I just wonder, some of these posts are great, but then some other guy comes on (like i just did) and posts his point of view, and then it seems to turn into a big debate over semantics and definitions. It just seems rather pointless to me...

I mean, we&#039;re all seeing the SAME THING thru different eyes.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anthonys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Song - “Sapphire”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats what i feel too. </p>
<p>I just wonder, some of these posts are great, but then some other guy comes on (like i just did) and posts his point of view, and then it seems to turn into a big debate over semantics and definitions. It just seems rather pointless to me&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean, we&#8217;re all seeing the SAME THING thru different eyes.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthonys last blog post..<a href="http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/">Song &#8211; “Sapphire”</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/can-we-prove-or-disprove-the-existence-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To think that spirituality has to do with definitions is completely missing the point. Truth is beyond all mental construction. You describe it well when you say that talk is mental masturbation. :)

I understand what you mean, however, about an intuitive knowingness that can&#039;t be verbalized... something you &quot;just know,&quot; but what I&#039;m pointing to is more than an intuitive hunch, but a radical shift in identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To think that spirituality has to do with definitions is completely missing the point. Truth is beyond all mental construction. You describe it well when you say that talk is mental masturbation. <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I understand what you mean, however, about an intuitive knowingness that can&#8217;t be verbalized&#8230; something you &#8220;just know,&#8221; but what I&#8217;m pointing to is more than an intuitive hunch, but a radical shift in identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a realization i&#039;ve had since birth. It involves very little thought, it&#039;s more like an awareness that i fall into.

Why do you look at the negative possibilities? are you caught up in the continual mental masterbation of trying to &#039;define&#039; spirituality?

;)

A.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a realization i&#8217;ve had since birth. It involves very little thought, it&#8217;s more like an awareness that i fall into.</p>
<p>Why do you look at the negative possibilities? are you caught up in the continual mental masterbation of trying to &#8216;define&#8217; spirituality?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/wp-includes/images/smilies/wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthonys last blog post..<a href="http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/">Song &#8211; “Sapphire”</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. It is a personal path that we must walk ourselves. No one can do it for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. It is a personal path that we must walk ourselves. No one can do it for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Bravy</title>
		<link>http://www.youaretrulyloved.com/enlightenment/can-we-prove-or-disprove-the-existence-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Bravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you really see God everywhere or are you simply convincing yourself that you do and putting the same label called &quot;God&quot; on everything? Is it something you&#039;ve realized or something you choosing to believe?

Enlightenment is called Self-realization and not Self-belief for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really see God everywhere or are you simply convincing yourself that you do and putting the same label called &#8220;God&#8221; on everything? Is it something you&#8217;ve realized or something you choosing to believe?</p>
<p>Enlightenment is called Self-realization and not Self-belief for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing... we can disprove or prove god exists, but only to ourselves... afterall it&#039;s just a mental construct.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anthonys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Song - “Sapphire”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; we can disprove or prove god exists, but only to ourselves&#8230; afterall it&#8217;s just a mental construct.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthonys last blog post..<a href="http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/">Song &#8211; “Sapphire”</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to expand on your comment &#039; the mind is the wrong tool when it comes to knowing god..&#039;

I find the mind is and awesome tool in facilitating contact with all-that-is. It&#039;s all about how you use the tool. Remember, the mind controls focus and attention, and you can choose what you see. I see god all around me, in plants, trees, animals, people &amp; myself.

All-in-all... all discussion on &#039;god&#039; really is leading away from God. All we need to do is be. i use my mind as a part of that process.

We&#039;re all different. Some ppl use their minds to &#039;ponder&#039;, others use it to &#039;redirect focus&#039;. There are no absolute answers and i often wonder when people get caught up in definitions, because they&#039;re missing the point. The minds logical, left-brained abaility is to disern, but the right-side create element is to absorb and join together, seeing how everything fits together as &#039;one whole&#039;

Considering if i didn&#039;t have a mind, i&#039;d be dead, i would have to say the mind is a great tool for knowing god.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anthonys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Song - “Sapphire”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to expand on your comment &#8216; the mind is the wrong tool when it comes to knowing god..&#8217;</p>
<p>I find the mind is and awesome tool in facilitating contact with all-that-is. It&#8217;s all about how you use the tool. Remember, the mind controls focus and attention, and you can choose what you see. I see god all around me, in plants, trees, animals, people &amp; myself.</p>
<p>All-in-all&#8230; all discussion on &#8216;god&#8217; really is leading away from God. All we need to do is be. i use my mind as a part of that process.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all different. Some ppl use their minds to &#8216;ponder&#8217;, others use it to &#8216;redirect focus&#8217;. There are no absolute answers and i often wonder when people get caught up in definitions, because they&#8217;re missing the point. The minds logical, left-brained abaility is to disern, but the right-side create element is to absorb and join together, seeing how everything fits together as &#8216;one whole&#8217;</p>
<p>Considering if i didn&#8217;t have a mind, i&#8217;d be dead, i would have to say the mind is a great tool for knowing god.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anthonys last blog post..<a href="http://antwakefield.com/song-sapphire/">Song &#8211; “Sapphire”</a></em></abbr></p>
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